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February 18, 2011

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Thank you, Dana! This has yet to acknowledged as part of the Wisconsin story.

I do have to say, I am one of the Madison protestors and I am a woman. One of the unions targeted, that has gotten very little or no attention, is the State Building Trades Union, which represents those of us who are carpenters, electricians, plumbers, steamfitters, painters, elevator maintenance, basically those of us who maintain state buildings.

I maintain the premise of the police and firefighter exemption, being political payback.

Give the whole story Dana and stop lying to try to make a point.

Just one questions - why are you all surprised - did not you all vote for republicans - this is their agenda to start here in this state and then onto Ohio and onward - funny repub do not like big gov in their pockets - but they will let state gov take from your pockets -

@SD first of all your an idiot. 27% of these people protesting voted for Gov. Walker, funny how he wouldn't have received these votes if he would have mentioned his plan to erase rights.

Republicans generally support cutting funding for science programs like NASA, which would disproportionately affect men. Is that sexist, too? Is it sexist that 80% of American teachers are female in the first place?

The Republican platform certainly includes genuinely sexist views against women. Save your indignation for those and you might get some real mileage out of it.

Could you elaborate on how this is sexist? Just because the one side explicitly being supported is filled with 'male' professions and SOME of the other side that is being effected are 'women's' professions is not evidence enough for sexism. (It seems similar to the argument that if you're a woman then you are a feminist automatically. We need to dig deeper than that.)

Surely it has something to do with the fact that police officers, firefighters, and state troopers work more in conjunction with the government on a direct, daily basis than say nurses or teachers.

"I do have to say, I am one of the Madison protestors and I am a woman. One of the unions targeted, that has gotten very little or no attention, is the State Building Trades Union, which represents those of us who are carpenters, electricians, plumbers, steamfitters, painters, elevator maintenance, basically those of us who maintain state buildings."

See? Typically male jobs are being effected also.

He's letting the police, firefighters, and state troopers off the hook because those labor unions are more likely to support Republican candidates, and they supported Walker, while the unions affected support Democratic candidates. I doubt he's letting them off the hook because the professions represented are made up of predominantly men. Are you really saying that Walker is doing this just to take rights away from women...? That's a bit of a stretch, no? I don't doubt that Walker is likely a sexist douche, but this clearly isn't about gender. It's about removing the Democrats' main source of support.

Cute, isn't it, how clueless boyz think THEY get to decide what constitutes sexism.

Did the guy who wrote this: "Just because the one side explicitly being supported is filled with 'male' professions and SOME of the other side that is being effected are 'women's' professions is not evidence enough for sexism"

Realize how incredibly stupid he comes off having posted that?


This is perfectly on par with the rethuglicans' extra special psychotic attacks on women lately. Women are apparently not allowed health care, or unions.

Oy veh, if you expect us to take your comment seriously, then think again. I cannot honestly listen to the opinion of someone who intentionally (or unintentionally) spells boys like 'boyz' and uses words such as 'rethuglicans.'

@April,

I agree with you that the reason Gov. Walker exempted those unions --- the firefighters, the state troopers, the police --- from his no-collective-bargaining measure is probably because those union members typically vote Republican and are part of his base. (I also think he did it for the related reason that most Republican voters really admire firefighters and law-enforcement officers, to the extent that attacking those unions could lead to a backlash against the governor from his own base).

But I don't think those reasons are totally unrelated to what Dana's pointed out about the gender composition of those professions! Macho, male-dominated jobs like firefighting or law enforcement are probably going to be more full of Republican voters because Republicans are the party of machismo. Similarly, because Republicans are the party of machismo, Republican voters who aren't police officers or firefighters tend to idolize people who do those jobs, not so much because they're doing a much-needed public service as because they appeal to Republican voters' own notions of ideal masculinity.

Also, I don't think something has to be intended to hurt women for it to be sexist. It just has to affect women disproportionately.

There once was a Union maid,
who never was afraid,
Of the goons and the ginks,
and the company finks,
and the deputy sheriffs that made the raids.
She went to the Union Hall,
where a meeting it was called,
and when those company boys came around,
she always stood her ground.
Oh you can't scare me,
I'm stickin' to the Union,
I'm stickin' to the Union,
I'm stickin' to the Union.
Oh you can't scare me,
I'm stickin' to the Union,
I'm stickin' to the Union,
'til the day I die.
(Sung to the tune of Red Wing)

Woo hoo, Dana! You must be eating your carrots, you got blazingly clear eyesight.

Women make 3/4 of every penny men make, been that way for decades (prior, which is prior to unions, women made 2/5 of what men made). Course the heart of it all is money and power, and that drama plays out through of all us (except for the lucky top 1% or so). What gets to me is the falsity and/or irrelevancy of the cover narratives that are used to explain and persuade, which then become the public narrative. Heart-breaking, the misdirection from what is (the real problems in front of us) towards what we are led to believe are the real problems (teachers making 26K a year! greedy evil teachers!).

For great overview of changing land in this country as pertains to income and unions, etc: http://bit.ly/f7DuyG
For a stat based look into who rules America: http://bit.ly/b9v3De
For a chart showing women still lagging behind men in wages: http://aol.it/hR91ux

And there's lots more good information out there, folks, please go find the real story and educate everyone you can. Let's redirect the narrative back to reality and humanity.

Stay healthy and strong, Dana. Long fight ahead and we need your fierce spirit and clear gaze, it is much appreciated.

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