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May 02, 2010

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Um, in your last paragraph, you call these "one of the best-researched works of education journalism I've read in awhile [sic]" but in your headline you call the article a "hit."

Wee bit o' contradiction?

I'm confused. Your title calls it a 'hit' while your conclusion calls it among the 'best-researched.' Your main critiques are a straw-man 'leaves the impression' (arguing against something the article didn't say) and anecdotes about some children feeling safer at a single school. The article quote was soft - not only 'is it difficult' to raise achievement, the article shows that the schools as a movement have failed.

The Times article was a pretty measured piece. This was not anecdotes about a few bad schools to color a movement, as so many pro-KIPP articles do in reverse. Are a few good schools but no improvement overall worthwhile?

Charter schools, like many privatization projects, have costs to the public schools, their students, and the community. If they can't improve outcomes, why are they doing it? If that article was a hit, is any discussion possible?

For those confused by the "hit" terminology, I was using it the way journalists do--as shorthand for "hit piece," which means "attack on." In other words, the Times article was critical of the charter movement. In my opinion, it was a well-researched piece generally critical of the charter movement.


"While some of the best schools in the country at educating poor minority kids are charter schools, on average, charter schools are no better at raising children's academic performance than are typical traditional public schools."

But like Andy Rotherham points out, the CREDO study that all the charter opponents like to cite actually showed that the longer kids stayed in charter schools, the better off they were compared to their public school counterparts. In other words, the CREDO study actually suggests that if we get more kids to stay in charters longer, they'll be better off -- which completely contradicts the anti-charter spin.

Apples and oranges, Stuart. Literally. The studies seem to indicate that for most of the schools, its the kids and the parents, not the charter schools, that are making the difference. In other words, if you took the kids currently in charter schools and put them back in the public schools, and put the kids in public schools and put them in the charter schools, you'd see the same effects, except in reverse, and perhaps amplified.

But then, who knows? The next round o' studies may show the exact opposite.

No, I'm pretty sure that's not what the studies show, and in fact students who enter charter schools tend to arrive with lower test scores than their public school peers (as last year's RAND study found). Perhaps you could explain what you're thinking of?

love your work, dana, but no need to spend time laying claim to conclusions or observations that the times came to in its piece. there was little new or original there, and many many others know and have written about the things you've written.

If all public school students were white, middle class, and their students were convinced of the value of education, there would be no Charter School movement. On the other hand, if the Charter school movement were designed to appeal to white middle class students, and in fact had student populations that were reflective of the population at large in the manner of Boston Latin, there would be no controversy.

There are a myriad of reasons to assert that "no child left behind" test scores do not give any indication of potential college success, but not every student is ready for college at the same time. I've spent the last year teaching Latin at a 90/90 public middle charter school (90% poor/90% African American). Based on that experience I can assert the following:

1. As an antique first year teacher, I had no skills at classroom management, and 25/30% of our students saw no value in the Latin. I was punished for the first (RIF'D), and the students were punished for the latter. Very few came through Latin as a first step toward a admission to a level one college. But our "positioning" was as a college prep. Latin's positioning was as a "connections class."

2. We were "officially" very proud of the fact that 90% of our students met standards. And, we were by and large among the top 3 schools in the district. But it should be remembered that a) meeting standards only established basic literacy and b) we were arguably the worst district in the state.

3. Absent real diversity, we will never be able to model the classic prep school.

All of the popular charters are based on assorted formulae that involve rote learning. Literally, they are based on the false notion that "if you can't measure it, you can't manage it." The reality is that if can measure it, you don't need to manage it.

There are serious studies from the 70's that offer a clear demonstration that no matter what the level of a student's skills, Latin is a magic bullet. Said another way (and with apologies to Ogden Nash) AP is dandy, but Latin is quicker.

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