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November 20, 2007

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"My knowledge of genetic science is limited"

Yup.

FWIW, Northeast Asian IQs do average 105 and Europeans IQs do average 100...but Europeans also have two counterveiling IQ advantages over NE Asians.

1) NE Asian IQ is sharply bifurcated, with higher 'math IQ' than whites but lower 'verbal' IQ. Verbal IQ, as it turns out, is more crucial in creation of wealth. See here:

http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/sft2.htm

2) the standard deviation of NE Asian IQs is narrower than for whites, so they produce fewer extremely high IQs that whites do -- fewer extremely low ones, too, but having more James Watsons and Francis Cricks is more than worth the trade-off of having more Homer Simpsons, too.

So it's technically correct to say "East Asians are smarter than whites," but you have to append a couple of important asterisks to that statement.

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"My knowledge of genetic science is limited"

Yup.

Posted by: williak"

Yup!

Cheers,

Z

"1) NE Asian IQ is sharply bifurcated, with higher 'math IQ' than whites but lower 'verbal' IQ. Verbal IQ, as it turns out, is more crucial in creation of wealth. See here:

http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/sft2.htm"

Either the notion that verbal IQ creates wealth or that Northeast Asians have low verbal IQ has to be wrong. Because China was the richest nation per capita from 1 AD to the 1700s AD and the wealthiest nation up until the 1870s. They will again the wealthiest nation in my lifetime. Unless you're saying their verbal IQs suddenly dipped. The reason why there are few linguists and lawyers being imported from China is because you don't import language jobs from countries that don't speak your language, obviously. And if verbal IQ leads to the wealth of nations.. well, apparently it doesn't lead to the *growth* of the wealth of nations because the Northeast Asian nations have the highest recorded gdp growth in the history of economics. That's with little or few natural resources. Likewise, verbal IQ tends to increase for East Asians as they reach maturity, since it takes them longer to mature (and die) than other races. That, and Chinese is simply a harder language to process than English so more has to be done to eliminate some of the discrepancies in testing. That is, testing 3rd or 4th gen Chinese English speakers against their native populations or adopted Chinese children, with their ages and incomes. Data on SAT scores, A-Levels, and college entrance rates suggest that their verbal IQs are just fine.

"2) the standard deviation of NE Asian IQs is narrower than for whites, so they produce fewer extremely high IQs that whites do -- fewer extremely low ones, too, but having more James Watsons and Francis Cricks is more than worth the trade-off of having more Homer Simpsons, too."

Totally false. Only one study by Vining in the 70s ever produced these results; all others show the exact OPPOSITE, with Northeast Asian standard deviations being higher than all other races. See Gottfredson and Lynn's work. A 1975 study of Asian Americans also put their SD at 16.48. PISA scores also reflect the high standard deviation; with Japan's top 5% scoring (much) higher than all other groups.

Another thing, is that the only two individuals alive with 200+ recorded on the stanford binet are both northeast asian men. From Korea and Japan; China hasn't really developed well enough yet to take many IQ tests.

Now that I think of it, it was probably opium that lowered China's verbal IQ, thus decreasing their wealth.

lagriffe is an idiot, no offense to him.

"The argument is schizophrenic"

Not only is this phrase a mental virus epidemic among many people suffering poor grammar, but it is a bigoted, ablist comment, which is ironic given the subject matter for which it is being used.

I think that the script developed by a people forcibly
reflects there way of thinking.So does the ideogramatic
script,based on pictures,of the asian peoples.

Dana, Studies have been made by the most respected and emminent of academics. These adameics are more than capable of realizing that many factors such as environment and discrimination may contribute to IQ. Off course they factor variables into their studies. The studies conclusively show that Asian IQ is greater than that of Caucasian IQ which is in tern greater than that of Black IQ.

http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/Race_Evolution_Behavior.pdf
http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/TaxonomicConstruct.pdf

In my opinion these IQ differences will only become greater with time. Places like China and Vietnam will get better food and healthcare and grow bigger and smarter. Europe is stagnating, and Africa be stuck living in grass huts.

Dana, you're overlooking Ashkenazi Jewish IQ. Their group average is 2/3 of a standard deviation above the european mean.

G. Cochran, J. Hardy, H. Harpending, Natural History of Ashkenazi Intelligence, Journal of Biosocial Science 38 (5), pp. 659–693 (2006).

http://homepage.mac.com/harpend/.Public/AshkenaziIQ.jbiosocsci.pdf

What is considered "extreme poverty" here in America would be upper middle class living when compared to many third world nations. Also, blacks from families earning more than 70K score worse than whites from families earning 20K or less. How do you explain these descrepancies?

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